From: Siddharth Asthana <siddharthasthana31@gmail•com>
To: Kristoffer Haugsbakk <code@khaugsbakk•name>, git@vger•kernel.org
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox•com>,
Christian Couder <christian.couder@gmail•com>,
Patrick Steinhardt <ps@pks•im>, Elijah Newren <newren@gmail•com>,
Andrei Rybak <rybak.a.v@gmail•com>,
Karthik Nayak <karthik.188@gmail•com>,
Justin Tobler <jltobler@gmail•com>, Toon Claes <toon@iotcl•com>,
John Cai <johncai86@gmail•com>,
Johannes Schindelin <johannes.schindelin@gmx•de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/1] replay: make atomic ref updates the default behavior
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2025 05:06:45 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <61107972-5755-49b9-a126-9442418ddff0@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f0abdc27-6850-4b9d-b4eb-a1c92f731142@app.fastmail.com>
On 02/10/25 22:44, Kristoffer Haugsbakk wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2025, at 01:08, Siddharth Asthana wrote:
>> This is v2 of the git-replay atomic updates series.
>>
>> Based on the extensive community feedback from v1, I've completely redesigned
>> the approach. Instead of adding new --update-refs options, this version makes
>> atomic ref updates the default behavior of git replay.
>>
>> Why this change makes sense:
>> - git replay is explicitly marked as EXPERIMENTAL with behavior changes
>> expected
>> - The command is primarily used server-side where atomic transactions
>> are crucial
>> - Current pipeline approach (git replay | git update-ref --stdin)
>> creates
>> coordination complexity and lacks atomic guarantees by default
>> - Patrick Steinhardt noted performance issues with individual ref
>> updates
>> in reftable backend
>> - Elijah Newren and Junio Hamano endorsed making the better behavior
>> default
>>
>> [snip]
> On the topic of changing experimental commands: I really like the
> git-for-each-ref(1) (git-FER) output format design. It just outputs refs and
> related data. It’s not a command for “bulk delete refs” or “check for
> merge conflicts between these refs and upstream (git-merge-tree(1)”—it
> just supports all of that through `--format` and its atoms.
>
> And for this command it seems to, at the core, output a mapping from old
> to new commits.
>
> Now, I’ve thought that a “client-side”[1] in-memory rebase-like command
> would need to support outputting data for the `post-rewrite` hook. And
> is that not straightforward if you can use `--format` with `from` and
> `to` atoms? (I ask because I have never called hooks with git-hook(1).)
>
> I just think that (naively maybe) a `--format` command like git-FER with
> all the quoting modes might be a good fit for this command. Then you
> can compose all the steps you need yourself:
>
> 1. Call the exact git-update-ref(1) `--batch`/`--stdin` or whatever mode
> you need
> 2. Write a message to each reflog if you want
> 3. Call the `post-rewrite` hook
>
> † 1: c.f. server-side which I get the impression only wants to do cheap
> rebases
Hi Kristoffer,
That's an interesting perspective on using --format for composability,
similar to git-for-each-ref's design.
The constraint right now is that git replay's output needs to work
directly with update-ref --stdin, which has a specific format. Adding
--format would let users customize the output, but then they'd need to
transform it to the update-ref format anyway for the most common case,
which seems like extra work.
Your point about post-rewrite hook support is well-taken though. As this
command evolves toward client-side interactive rebase (which was Elijah's
original design goal), we will definitely need hook integration. At that
point, a --format approach with atoms like %(old) and %(new) could make
sense for letting users extract the commit mapping in whatever form they
need for hooks or other tooling.
For this iteration I am focusing on the simpler atomic update case, but
I will
keep the --format idea in mind for future work. Do you see a specific use
case right now where --format would help, or is this more about
future-proofing the design for when we add client-side features?
Thanks for the thoughtful feedback!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-02 23:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-08 4:36 [PATCH 0/2] replay: add --update-refs option Siddharth Asthana
2025-09-08 4:36 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Siddharth Asthana
2025-09-08 9:54 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09 6:58 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-09-09 9:00 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09 7:32 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-10 17:58 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-09-08 4:36 ` [PATCH 2/2] replay: document --update-refs and --batch options Siddharth Asthana
2025-09-08 6:00 ` Christian Couder
2025-09-09 6:36 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-09-09 7:26 ` Christian Couder
2025-09-10 20:26 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-09-08 14:40 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-09 7:06 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-09-09 19:20 ` Andrei Rybak
2025-09-10 20:28 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-09-08 6:07 ` [PATCH 0/2] replay: add --update-refs option Christian Couder
2025-09-09 6:36 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-09-08 14:33 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-09 7:04 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-09-09 7:13 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-09 7:47 ` Christian Couder
2025-09-09 9:19 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-09 16:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-09 19:52 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-26 23:08 ` [PATCH v2 0/1] replay: make atomic ref updates the default behavior Siddharth Asthana
2025-09-26 23:08 ` [PATCH v2 1/1] " Siddharth Asthana
2025-09-30 8:23 ` Christian Couder
2025-10-02 22:16 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-03 7:30 ` Christian Couder
2025-10-02 22:55 ` Elijah Newren
2025-10-03 7:05 ` Christian Couder
2025-09-30 10:05 ` Phillip Wood
2025-10-02 10:00 ` Karthik Nayak
2025-10-02 22:20 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-02 22:20 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-08 14:01 ` Phillip Wood
2025-10-08 20:09 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-08 20:59 ` Elijah Newren
2025-10-08 21:16 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-09 9:40 ` Phillip Wood
2025-10-02 16:32 ` Elijah Newren
2025-10-02 18:27 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-02 23:42 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-02 23:27 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-03 7:59 ` Christian Couder
2025-10-08 19:59 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-03 19:48 ` Elijah Newren
2025-10-03 20:32 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-08 20:06 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-08 20:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-08 21:10 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-08 21:30 ` Elijah Newren
2025-10-08 20:05 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-02 17:14 ` [PATCH v2 0/1] " Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-02 23:36 ` Siddharth Asthana [this message]
2025-10-03 19:05 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-08 20:02 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-08 20:56 ` Elijah Newren
2025-10-08 21:16 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-08 21:18 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-13 18:33 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] replay: make atomic ref updates the default Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-13 18:33 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] replay: use die_for_incompatible_opt2() for option validation Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-13 18:33 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] replay: make atomic ref updates the default behavior Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-13 22:05 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-15 5:01 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-13 18:33 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] replay: add replay.defaultAction config option Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-13 19:39 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] replay: make atomic ref updates the default Junio C Hamano
2025-10-15 4:57 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-15 10:33 ` Christian Couder
2025-10-15 14:45 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-22 18:50 ` [PATCH v4 " Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-22 18:50 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] replay: use die_for_incompatible_opt2() for option validation Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-22 18:50 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] replay: make atomic ref updates the default behavior Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-22 21:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-28 19:03 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-24 10:37 ` Christian Couder
2025-10-24 15:23 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-28 20:18 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-28 19:39 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-22 18:50 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] replay: add replay.refAction config option Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-24 11:01 ` Christian Couder
2025-10-24 15:30 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-28 20:08 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-28 19:26 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-24 13:28 ` Phillip Wood
2025-10-24 13:36 ` Phillip Wood
2025-10-28 19:47 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-28 19:46 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-23 18:47 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] replay: make atomic ref updates the default Junio C Hamano
2025-10-25 16:57 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-10-28 20:19 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-24 9:39 ` Christian Couder
2025-10-28 21:46 ` [PATCH v5 " Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-28 21:46 ` [PATCH v5 1/3] replay: use die_for_incompatible_opt2() for option validation Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-28 21:46 ` [PATCH v5 2/3] replay: make atomic ref updates the default behavior Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-28 21:46 ` [PATCH v5 3/3] replay: add replay.refAction config option Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-29 16:19 ` Christian Couder
2025-10-29 17:00 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-30 19:19 ` [PATCH v6 0/3] replay: make atomic ref updates the default Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-30 19:19 ` [PATCH v6 1/3] replay: use die_for_incompatible_opt2() for option validation Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-31 18:47 ` Elijah Newren
2025-11-05 18:39 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-30 19:19 ` [PATCH v6 2/3] replay: make atomic ref updates the default behavior Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-31 18:49 ` Elijah Newren
2025-10-31 19:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-11-05 19:07 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-11-03 16:25 ` Phillip Wood
2025-11-03 19:32 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-11-04 16:15 ` Phillip Wood
2025-10-30 19:19 ` [PATCH v6 3/3] replay: add replay.refAction config option Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-31 7:08 ` Christian Couder
2025-11-05 19:03 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-31 18:49 ` Elijah Newren
2025-11-05 19:10 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-10-31 18:51 ` [PATCH v6 0/3] replay: make atomic ref updates the default Elijah Newren
2025-11-05 19:15 ` [PATCH v7 " Siddharth Asthana
2025-11-05 19:15 ` [PATCH v7 1/3] replay: use die_for_incompatible_opt2() for option validation Siddharth Asthana
2025-11-05 19:16 ` [PATCH v7 2/3] replay: make atomic ref updates the default behavior Siddharth Asthana
2025-11-05 19:16 ` [PATCH v7 3/3] replay: add replay.refAction config option Siddharth Asthana
2025-11-06 19:32 ` [PATCH v7 0/3] replay: make atomic ref updates the default Elijah Newren
2025-11-08 13:22 ` Siddharth Asthana
2025-11-08 17:11 ` Elijah Newren
2025-11-07 15:48 ` Phillip Wood
2025-11-08 13:23 ` Siddharth Asthana
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