From: Pierre-Emmanuel Patry <pierre-emmanuel.patry@embecosm•com>
To: e@80x24•org
Cc: Johannes.Schindelin@gmx•de, ben.knoble@gmail•com, cb@256bit•org,
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eschwartz@gentoo•org, ezekielnewren@gmail•com,
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sandals@crustytoothpaste•net
Subject: Re: what's missing from newer C? [was: [PATCH v5 0/9] Introduce Rust ....]
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2025 11:13:50 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9eea6006-1dfb-4822-adfc-3af1222b1e01@embecosm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251004010201.M85772@dcvr>
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> As I understand it, the borrow checker is a big part of the slow
> compile times
From what can been observed in benchmarks (perf.rust-lang.org) the
borrow checker is not the biggest part of the slow compile times. It
certainly isn't the quickest one but I wouldn't make it the culprit.
> As someone who's worked on implementing async/green threads for
> a VM
You seems to be mixing async and green threads within the same point.
Green threads were removed almost ten years ago before rust 1.0. You may
learn more about that removal from RFC 230.
> It's never been a big problem to me
> with RCU and proper understanding of POSIX semantics.
But it has been a problem with less experienced people and that kind of
problem easily slip through a review.
> it seems to be mainly dealing with colons vs underscores
It doesn't. This is only true when dealing from a C perspective where
everything can be seen from everywhere. Huge identifiers are harder to
read. Namespaces offer context dependent short identifiers that won't
leak in the whole TU.
> AFAIK, Rust modules + crates are centrally controlled and
> publishing requires an account on a proprietary service owned
> and operated by a convicted monopolist.
Publishing on that platform indeed requires an account on GitHub. It's
probably worth mentioning they're willing to change it but do not have
the resources nor the bandwidth to do so.
crates.io is not a mandatory step, it's the default and easiest way to
publish or retrieve a dependencies just like cargo is with building.
More services like this one may appear but it looks very expensive to
run and maintain.
Pierre-Emmanuel
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2025-09-04 22:46 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05 7:49 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 1:16 ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05 7:50 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 13:20 ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 22:37 ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-05 7:54 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 23:39 ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-05 2:00 ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05 7:54 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 13:39 ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-07 20:07 ` Ben Knoble
2025-09-08 4:39 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08 11:39 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09 0:49 ` Ben Knoble
2025-09-09 15:27 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08 6:44 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 14:26 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-04 17:38 ` Eric Sunshine
2025-09-05 7:54 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/7] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Patrick Steinhardt
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2025-09-05 17:47 ` Justin Tobler
2025-09-08 6:42 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07 4:54 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08 6:42 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/7] Makefile: introduce " Patrick Steinhardt
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2025-09-08 6:40 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07 4:58 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08 6:41 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07 15:26 ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-08 6:41 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:50 ` [PATCH RFC v2 3/7] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 19:51 ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-07 5:00 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-05 11:51 ` [PATCH RFC v2 4/7] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 21:46 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05 22:39 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-05 23:04 ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-05 11:51 ` [PATCH RFC v2 5/7] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 12:45 ` Matthias Aßhauer
2025-09-05 13:38 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:38 ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-08 6:42 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07 5:31 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08 6:42 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:22 ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 14:32 ` Eli Schwartz
2025-09-05 19:34 ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-07 5:25 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-05 11:51 ` [PATCH RFC v2 6/7] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07 0:21 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08 6:41 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 11:51 ` [PATCH RFC v2 7/7] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 19:56 ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-08 6:40 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 21:00 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-08 6:40 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-05 14:14 ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/7] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Phillip Wood
2025-09-05 14:28 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-07 4:31 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-08 6:44 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 23:00 ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10 8:21 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09 6:33 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-10 8:21 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-09 9:12 ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-10 8:21 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 9:32 ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-10 10:49 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/8] " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 1/8] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 22:09 ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-09 1:03 ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10 8:22 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 2/8] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 3/8] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 4/8] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 5/8] rust: implement a test balloon via the "varint" subsystem Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 17:19 ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-08 22:22 ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-10 8:22 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 6/8] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 7/8] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:13 ` [PATCH RFC v3 8/8] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-08 14:20 ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/8] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-10 15:35 ` [PATCH RFC v4 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35 ` [PATCH RFC v4 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-11 21:33 ` brian m. carlson
2026-01-20 22:18 ` [PATCH RFC v4 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal D. Ben Knoble
2026-01-20 23:23 ` [PATCH RFC v4 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internalg brian m. carlson
2026-01-21 8:00 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35 ` [PATCH RFC v4 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35 ` [PATCH RFC v4 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35 ` [PATCH RFC v4 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35 ` [PATCH RFC v4 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 21:04 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-10 15:35 ` [PATCH RFC v4 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35 ` [PATCH RFC v4 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 21:20 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-15 10:53 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-22 16:24 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-23 5:32 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 8:53 ` LTS "lieutenant", was " Johannes Schindelin
2025-09-24 13:47 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 14:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-24 12:53 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-24 17:43 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-10 21:42 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-09-15 10:53 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35 ` [PATCH RFC v4 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-10 15:35 ` [PATCH RFC v4 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-11 21:55 ` [PATCH RFC v4 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory brian m. carlson
2025-09-15 10:53 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-12 15:45 ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-12 16:32 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-15 10:50 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22 ` [PATCH v5 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22 ` [PATCH v5 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22 ` [PATCH v5 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22 ` [PATCH v5 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22 ` [PATCH v5 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22 ` [PATCH v5 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22 ` [PATCH v5 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22 ` [PATCH v5 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
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2025-09-22 19:34 ` SZEDER Gábor
2025-09-22 20:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-22 22:15 ` brian m. carlson
2025-09-22 22:56 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-23 1:59 ` Elijah Newren
2025-09-23 4:54 ` Patrick Steinhardt
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2025-09-23 0:43 ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-19 13:59 ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-22 13:01 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-22 14:07 ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-22 14:38 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22 ` [PATCH v5 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-15 11:22 ` [PATCH v5 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
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2025-09-16 10:06 ` Patrick Steinhardt
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2025-09-16 22:25 ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-16 23:38 ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-17 18:32 ` Ramsay Jones
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2025-09-25 1:10 ` what's missing from newer C? [was: [PATCH v5 0/9] Introduce Rust ....] Eric Wong
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2025-09-19 18:41 ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatorty John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2025-09-22 13:01 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 9:45 ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 9:45 ` [PATCH v6 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 9:45 ` [PATCH v6 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 9:45 ` [PATCH v6 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 9:45 ` [PATCH v6 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 9:45 ` [PATCH v6 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 9:45 ` [PATCH v6 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 9:45 ` [PATCH v6 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 15:29 ` Phillip Wood
2025-09-23 17:29 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-24 5:03 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 9:45 ` [PATCH v6 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 9:45 ` [PATCH v6 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-23 20:15 ` [PATCH v6 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-24 5:02 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-24 14:34 ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-09-25 6:30 ` [PATCH v7 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 6:30 ` [PATCH v7 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 6:30 ` [PATCH v7 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 21:33 ` Ramsay Jones
2025-09-25 6:30 ` [PATCH v7 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 6:30 ` [PATCH v7 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 6:30 ` [PATCH v7 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-30 13:34 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-10-01 17:22 ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-02 7:30 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 6:30 ` [PATCH v7 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-01 17:21 ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-01 19:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-09-25 6:30 ` [PATCH v7 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 6:30 ` [PATCH v7 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 6:30 ` [PATCH v7 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-09-25 16:35 ` [PATCH v7 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
2025-10-01 18:43 ` Ezekiel Newren
2025-10-02 7:29 ` [PATCH v8 " Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 7:29 ` [PATCH v8 1/9] meson: add infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 7:29 ` [PATCH v8 2/9] Makefile: reorder sources after includes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 7:29 ` [PATCH v8 3/9] Makefile: introduce infrastructure to build internal Rust library Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 7:29 ` [PATCH v8 4/9] help: report on whether or not Rust is enabled Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 7:29 ` [PATCH v8 5/9] varint: use explicit width for integers Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 7:29 ` [PATCH v8 6/9] varint: reimplement as test balloon for Rust Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 7:29 ` [PATCH v8 7/9] BreakingChanges: announce Rust becoming mandatory Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 7:29 ` [PATCH v8 8/9] ci: convert "pedantic" job into full build with breaking changes Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 7:29 ` [PATCH v8 9/9] ci: enable Rust for breaking-changes jobs Patrick Steinhardt
2025-10-02 16:38 ` [PATCH v8 0/9] Introduce Rust and announce that it will become mandatory Junio C Hamano
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