From: "Remo Senekowitsch" <remo@buenzli•dev>
To: "Nico Williams" <nico@cryptonector•com>,
"Elijah Newren" <newren@gmail•com>
Cc: "Martin von Zweigbergk" <martinvonz@google•com>,
"Git Mailing List" <git@vger•kernel.org>,
"Edwin Kempin" <ekempin@google•com>,
"Scott Chacon" <scott@gitbutler•com>,
"philipmetzger@bluewin•ch" <philipmetzger@bluewin•ch>
Subject: Re: Gerrit, GitButler, and Jujutsu projects collaborating on change-id commit footer
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2025 23:45:55 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <D8XC02N85O7W.2LQY7B8Q2Z98G@buenzli.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z+7PDi5y4wXJBK4r@ubby>
On Thu Apr 3, 2025 at 8:10 PM CEST, Nico Williams wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 03, 2025 at 08:39:31AM -0700, Elijah Newren wrote:
> Also, maybe commits need to support multiple change IDs. For example,
> one might want one change ID for a set of commits (eg implementing a
> feature), and each commit in the set having a second and more unique
> change ID for just that commit (and all edits/rewrites of it).
Semantically grouping a set of commits is an intersting idea, but not
really related to the proposed change-id? Mercurial has "topics", which
I don't know too much about. Even if such a "topic-identifier" were
to be stored in the commit header, it probably shouldn't be called the
same thing as the change-id header. Otherwise it becomes impossible to
determine if a change-id header is supposed to identify an individual
patch across its versions or associate it semantically with others.
>> cherry-pick & rebase preserve author name, email & time, while
>> creating a new committer name, email, & time. To me, the change-id is
>> about the authorship, and since these commands already preserve
>> authorship, it'd seem weird to me to have cherry-pick not preserve the
>> change-id by default.
>
> +1. Besides, rebase is just a a bunch of cherry-picks, so cherry-pick
> is the fundamental operation here. If rebase is to preserver change-id
> then so is cherry-pick.
Well, if rebase is just a bunch of cherry-picks, that sounds like an
implementation detail. The ways rebase and cherry-pick are most often
used are semantically very different from each other. (interactive)
rebase is often used to amend commits that already have descendants. In
that case, it makes sense for the change-id to be preserved. cherry-pick
on the other hand is often used to create a dublicate of a patch at a
different location in the commit tree, e.g. for backporting purposes.
The equivalent of cherry-pick in Jujutsu is called "duplicate" and
doesn't preserve the change-id for that reason. So if cherry-pick
retains the change-id, that would lead to more duplicate change-ids in
the tree, degrading their usefulness in those cases for little benefit.
But again, if Git decides to go that route it's still better for the
other projects than not supporting the header at all.
Remo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-04-03 21:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-02 18:48 Gerrit, GitButler, and Jujutsu projects collaborating on change-id commit footer Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-02 19:34 ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-02 19:49 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-04-02 19:45 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-04-02 19:52 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-03 9:09 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-04-03 10:38 ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-03 11:06 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-04-03 15:56 ` Elijah Newren
2025-04-03 16:25 ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-03 16:38 ` Elijah Newren
2025-04-03 21:46 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-04 9:41 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-04-03 15:39 ` Elijah Newren
2025-04-03 16:40 ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-03 22:11 ` Kane York
2025-04-04 2:28 ` Elijah Newren
2025-04-04 2:40 ` Elijah Newren
2025-04-04 3:47 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-04 4:03 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-04 4:59 ` Elijah Newren
2025-04-04 5:21 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-04 9:29 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-04-03 17:48 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-04-03 20:31 ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-05 2:09 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-04-03 18:10 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-03 21:45 ` Remo Senekowitsch [this message]
[not found] ` <Z+8GoNrdaJlmNpGm@ubby>
2025-04-04 0:05 ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-04 3:52 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-04 7:41 ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-04 16:08 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-03 22:05 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-03 22:13 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-03 22:47 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-04 2:06 ` Elijah Newren
2025-04-04 3:11 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-04 4:08 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-04 4:23 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-04 9:34 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-04-04 16:04 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-07 8:00 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-04-07 20:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-07 21:36 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-08 12:55 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-04-08 15:53 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-09 12:19 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-04-09 12:56 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-09 19:13 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-10 8:29 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-10 21:40 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-09 16:54 ` Semantics of change IDs (Re: Gerrit, GitButler, and Jujutsu projects collaborating on change-id commit footer) Nico Williams
2025-04-09 18:02 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-09 18:35 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-09 19:14 ` Eric Sunshine
2025-04-09 19:31 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-10 13:44 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-04-10 16:18 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-11 15:48 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-04-11 16:38 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-04-11 17:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-12 23:13 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-04-14 15:13 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-15 22:30 ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-16 0:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-16 0:21 ` Jacob Keller
2025-04-15 21:38 ` Jacob Keller
2025-04-14 19:54 ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-04-14 21:34 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-15 21:44 ` Jacob Keller
2025-04-16 11:36 ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-22 20:17 ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-04-22 22:24 ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-22 22:42 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-22 22:51 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-22 23:47 ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-23 0:32 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-23 1:15 ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-23 4:45 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-22 23:49 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-23 1:02 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-23 4:47 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-22 23:21 ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-23 5:07 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-23 15:51 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-23 16:19 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-06-06 13:04 ` Toon Claes
[not found] ` <aAgWytQNqtLzg2TU@ubby>
2025-04-23 0:25 ` Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-23 0:45 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-23 12:58 ` How GitLab does/doesn't need change IDs (was Re: Semantics of change IDs) Toon Claes
2025-04-23 18:59 ` Nico Williams
2025-05-10 19:32 ` Semantics of change IDs (Re: Gerrit, GitButler, and Jujutsu projects collaborating on change-id commit footer) D. Ben Knoble
2025-05-10 19:46 ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-05-10 20:31 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-05-12 17:03 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-12 17:19 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-05-14 14:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-15 10:31 ` Oswald Buddenhagen
2025-05-15 16:32 ` Jacob Keller
2025-05-15 19:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-15 20:10 ` Nico Williams
[not found] ` <aCJi+4q6DZhnfdy+@ubby>
2025-05-12 21:43 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-05-12 22:04 ` brian m. carlson
2025-06-06 12:28 ` Toon Claes
2025-06-06 15:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-13 21:22 ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-04-07 22:51 ` Gerrit, GitButler, and Jujutsu projects collaborating on change-id commit footer Remo Senekowitsch
2025-04-08 0:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-08 5:35 ` Martin von Zweigbergk
2025-04-08 14:27 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-08 15:58 ` Phillip Wood
2025-04-08 16:27 ` Nico Williams
2025-04-12 21:32 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-04-16 0:24 ` Jacob Keller
2025-05-14 15:08 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-04-08 14:27 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-19 14:04 ` Askar Safin
2025-08-19 16:44 ` Ben Knoble
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