From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox•com>
To: Marc Branchaud <marcnarc@xiplink•com>
Cc: Marat Radchenko <marat@slonopotamus•org>, git@vger•kernel.org
Subject: Re: Pull is Evil (was: Re: A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 07:55:21 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <xmqqppjyhnom.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <536106EA.5090204@xiplink.com> (Marc Branchaud's message of "Wed, 30 Apr 2014 10:21:30 -0400")
Marc Branchaud <marcnarc@xiplink•com> writes:
> But I'm definitely biased because I think pull is pretty much broken:
>
> * New users are encouraged to use pull, but all too often the default
> fetch-then-merge behaviour doesn't match their expectations and they end up
> starting threads like this one on the mailing list.
>
> * If we change pull's default behaviour, we'll just be shifting the
> mismatched expectations onto the other half of the new users who would be
> happy with fetch-then-merge.
>
> * I'm not sure why new users are taught to use pull. I suspect it's because
> it tries to hide the idea of local-vs-remote branches, and people writing git
> tutorials don't want to overwhelm new users with what seems to be an internal
> detail. But these notions are really fundamental to using git effectively,
> and I think pull does everyone a disservice by trying to gloss them over.
>
> Anyway, rather than ranting on I'll just suggest that there's not enough
> commonality between the ways people use git to make it worthwhile trying to
> teach pull how to deal with a significant number of them. I think the pull
> command should be deprecated and quietly retired as a failed experiment.
I almost agree with the first sentence in the last paragraph, and
your bulletted list above supports it.
I am not sure how the second sentence can follow as its consequence.
If the conclusion were "maybe adding a 'git update' to match the
expectation of those who build on top of the work of others (aka
CVS/SVN style) more closely and teaching new users to use that
instead of 'git pull' may be a good way forward", I can sort of
understand (if I may not be able to immediately agree with, until I
can regurgitate the ramifications of such a change) it.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-04-30 14:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-04-28 6:29 A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment Marat Radchenko
2014-04-28 18:41 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 14:21 ` Pull is Evil (was: Re: A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment) Marc Branchaud
2014-04-30 14:55 ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2014-04-30 19:45 ` Pull is Evil Marc Branchaud
2014-04-30 20:01 ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-04-30 20:01 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 21:48 ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-02 7:40 ` Andreas Krey
2014-05-02 8:46 ` David Kastrup
2014-05-03 6:17 ` Andreas Krey
2014-05-03 6:55 ` David Kastrup
2014-04-30 20:14 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 22:06 ` Marc Branchaud
2014-04-30 22:25 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 9:46 ` brian m. carlson
2014-05-01 10:48 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 15:16 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-01 19:16 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 19:48 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-01 20:07 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-01 23:25 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 0:02 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 0:37 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 1:10 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 1:14 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 14:54 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 18:55 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 19:07 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 19:10 ` David Kastrup
2014-05-02 19:13 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 19:46 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 20:34 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 21:13 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 21:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 22:01 ` pull.prompt or other way to slow/disable 'git pull' (was: Pull is Evil) W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 22:20 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-03 0:05 ` pull.prompt or other way to slow/disable 'git pull' W. Trevor King
2014-05-03 9:50 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-04 18:51 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-04 20:54 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 23:20 ` Re: Pull is Evil Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 15:20 ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-01 17:56 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-01 18:04 ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-01 18:30 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-01 20:21 ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-01 23:28 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 7:16 ` Andreas Krey
2014-05-02 8:14 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 19:29 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-02 19:53 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-01 23:45 ` brian m. carlson
2014-05-01 23:39 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 19:22 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 19:43 ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-01 19:27 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 21:06 ` Philip Oakley
2014-05-01 21:16 ` Philip Oakley
2014-05-01 23:34 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 23:59 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 0:31 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 16:47 ` Pull is Evil (was: Re: A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment) Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 17:09 ` Pull is Evil Matthieu Moy
2014-04-30 18:31 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 19:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 19:32 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 19:53 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 20:11 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 16:12 ` A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment Stepan Kasal
2014-04-30 17:15 ` Geert Bosch
2014-05-04 8:58 ` John Szakmeister
2014-05-02 20:56 ` Max Kirillov
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