From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions•net>
To: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel•org>, Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm•no>
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Subject: Re: [RFC] fs: add userspace critical mounts event support
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 09:18:29 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1480493909.9990.31.camel@sipsolutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161129213739.GJ1402@wotan.suse.de>
On Tue, 2016-11-29 at 22:37 +0100, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 10:10:56PM +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Johannes Berg
> > <johannes@sipsolutions•net> wrote:
> > >
> > > My argument basically goes like this:
> > >
> > > First, given good drivers (i.e. using request_firmware_nowait())
> > > putting firmware even for a built-in driver into initramfs or not
> > > should be a system integrator decision. If they don't need the
> > > device
> > > that early, it should be possible for them to delay it. Or,
> > > perhaps, if
> > > the firmware is too big, etc. I'm sure we can all come up with
> > > more
> > > examples of why you'd want to do it one way or another.
> >
> > This is how I understood the the situation, but I never quite
> > bought
> > it. What is wrong with the kernel saying "you must put your module
> > and
> > your firmware together"? Sure, people may want to do things
> > differently, but what is the real blocker?
>
> 0) Firmware upgrades are possible
> 1) Some firmware is optional
> 2) Firmware licenses may often not be GPLv2 compatible
> 3) Some firmwares may be stupid large (remote-proc) as such
> neither built-in firmware nor using the firmware in initramfs
> is reasonable.
4) "firmware" may be on a separate flash partition because it's really
calibration data required by the (wifi) chip/driver
(to allow kernel updates without having to taylor the kernel image
to each and every device!!
johannes
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-11-30 8:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <1466117661-22075-1-git-send-email-mcgrof@kernel.org>
2016-06-16 22:54 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] firmware: annotate thou shalt not request fw on init or probe Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-24 6:55 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-08-24 20:39 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-25 11:05 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-08-25 19:41 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-25 20:10 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-08-25 20:25 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-08-25 20:30 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-09-02 23:59 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-09-03 0:20 ` [RFC] fs: add userspace critical mounts event support Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-09-03 4:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-03 4:20 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-09-03 4:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-03 17:49 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-09-03 18:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-03 18:10 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-09-06 21:52 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-09-06 22:28 ` Bjorn Andersson
2016-09-06 23:14 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-09-24 1:37 ` Herbert, Marc
2016-09-24 17:41 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2016-10-05 0:00 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-10-05 0:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-05 0:24 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-10-05 0:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-05 17:38 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-10-05 1:48 ` Josh Triplett
2016-10-05 1:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-06 17:46 ` Bjorn Andersson
2016-09-06 18:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-06 21:11 ` Bjorn Andersson
2016-09-06 21:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-09-06 23:04 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-09-06 22:32 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-09-14 2:38 ` Rob Landley
2016-10-05 18:00 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-10-05 18:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-05 19:46 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-11-08 22:47 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-11-09 9:13 ` Daniel Wagner
2016-11-09 11:21 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-11-09 23:53 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-11-29 21:54 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-11-09 23:40 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-11-15 9:28 ` Johannes Berg
2016-11-29 21:10 ` Tom Gundersen
2016-11-29 21:37 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2016-11-30 8:18 ` Johannes Berg [this message]
[not found] ` <1471999507-913-1-git-send-email-mcgrof@kernel.org>
2016-08-24 0:45 ` [PATCH v3 2/5] firmware: annotate thou shalt not request fw on init or probe mcgrof
2016-08-24 8:17 ` Gabriel Paubert
2016-09-02 18:26 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
[not found] ` <1473208930-6835-1-git-send-email-mcgrof@kernel.org>
2016-09-07 0:42 ` [PATCH v4 " Luis R. Rodriguez
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