Subject: Re: Request review of device tree documentation

From: Mitch Bradley <[email-masked]>
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 21:45:50 -1000

Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 11:23:45PM -0600, Grant Likely wrote:
>   
>>>> Or perhaps the MMU and caches can be turned off for the duration of the
>>>> callback.
>>>> I don't have the details of ARM MMUs and caches reloaded into my head
>>>> yet.  Maybe next week...
>>>>         
>
> We've had these kinds of questions in the past.  Doing what you're asking
> above is not really an option - it requires:
>
> 1. disable all IRQs
> 2. setup 1:1 MMU mappings for code to turn off MMU
>    (requires new page table)
> 3. disable imprecise exceptions
> 4. flush caches and TLBS
> 5. jump to 1:1 mapping area for code to disable MMU
> 6. disable caches and mmu
> 7. call function
> 8. flush caches and TLBs
> 9. re-enable caches and mmu
> 10. re-enable imprecise exceptions
> 11. switch back to original MMU mappings
> 12. re-enable all IRQs
>
> This is fine if you don't care at all about interrupt latency.
> Unfortunately, most people do care about interrupt latency because
> that directly affects interactivity and system performance.  The
> called function could not enable interrupts or exceptions - as the
> CPU vectors are in virtual space, disabling the MMU effectively
> makes them disappear.
>
> Moreover, with the MMU and caches disabled, the CPU performance is
> extremely poor, so the called function will run slowly.
>
> So, disabling the MMU isn't really viable.
>   

None of this is a deal-breaker for the kind of debugging tasks that are 
the primary use case for the callback.

> Now, if the external code was fully PIC, we could then run it with
> the MMU enabled.  However, this wouldn't really help - the external
> code could not access any devices without knowledge of how the kernel
> setup the V:P translations.
>
> So you'd need to pass some kind of data structure giving locations of
> devices to the called code - but then what if the kernel doesn't have
> the device mapped?
>
>