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From: Jiri Pirko <jiri-rHqAuBHg3fBzbRFIqnYvSA@public•gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [patch net-next RFC v2 0/6] introduce infrastructure for support of switch chip datapath
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 08:21:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140327072107.GC2845@minipsycho.orion> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53334A3F.6020105-jkUAjuhPggJWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>

Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 10:44:31PM CET, jhs-jkUAjuhPggJWk0Htik3J/w@public•gmane.org wrote:
>Jiri,
>
>The flow extensions may be distracting - note there are many
>tables (L3, L2, etc) in such chips not just ACLs. And there's likely no
>OneWay(tm) to add a flow. My view is probably to solve or reach an
>agreement on the ports. Then resolve the different tables control/data
>exposure.

Well, I think there are 2 main models to be considered:
1. OSV-like model, where everything is flows and that is the OneWay(tm)
   mode you mentioned :)
2. clasic switch setting-like model where you manually set up vlans,
   lag, whatever.

The phase one for me is 1. and that is what I'm trying to resolve with
this patchset.

>From what I understand from the discussion, 2. is likely the model you
have in mind.



>On the switchdev - You are still exposing it; do you expect these
>things to be created from user space? Probably thats one approach, but
>I would suspect the majority would result in the driver itself creating
>these devices after discovering the resources from the control
>interfaces (PCIE etc).

Sorry, I'm not sure I follow you question correctly.
The driver should create and register the switch and switch ports itself.


>
>cheers,
>jamal
>
>
>On 03/26/14 12:31, Jiri Pirko wrote:
>>This is second version of RFC. Here are the main differences from the first one:
>>-There is no special swdev of swport structure. The switch and its ports are
>>  now represented only by net_device structures. There are couple of switch-specific
>>  ndos added (inserting and removing flows).
>>
>>-Regarding the flows, driver marks skb with "missing flow" flag now. That would
>>  give indication to a user (OVS datapath of af_packet userspace application).
>>  On the opposite direction, skb can be xmitted by a port.
>>
>>-dummyswitch module has now rtnetlink iface for easy creation of dummy switches
>>  and ports.
>>
>>The basic idea is to introduce a generic infractructure to support various
>>switch chips in kernel. Also the idea is to benefit of currently existing
>>Open vSwitch userspace infrastructure.
>>
>>
>>The first two patches are just minor skb flag and packet_type modifications.
>>
>>
>>The third patch does a split of structures which are not specific to OVS
>>into more generic ones that can be reused.
>>
>>
>>The fourth patch introduces the "switchdev" API itself. It should serve as
>>a glue between chip drivers on the one side and the user on the other.
>>That user might be OVS datapath but in future it might be just userspace
>>application interacting via af_packet and Netlink iface.
>>
>>The infrastructure is designed to be similar to for example linux bridge.
>>There is one netdevice representing a switch chip and one netdevice per every
>>port. These are bound together in classic slave-master way. The reason
>>to reuse the netdevices for port representation is that userspace can use
>>standard tools to get information about the ports, statistics, tcpdump, etc.
>>
>>Note that the netdevices are just representations of the ports in the switch.
>>Therefore **no actual data** goes though, only missed flow skbs and, if drivers
>>supports it, when ETH_P_ALL packet_type is hooked on (tcpdump).
>>
>>
>>The fifth patch introduces a support for switchdev vports into OVS datapath.
>>After that, userspace would be able to create a switchdev DP for a switch chip,
>>to add switchdev ports to it and to use it in the same way as it would be
>>OVS SW datapath.
>>
>>
>>The sixth patch adds a dummy switch module. It is just an example of
>>switchdev driver implementation.
>>
>>
>>Jiri Pirko (6):
>>   net: make packet_type->ak_packet_priv generic
>>   skbuff: add "missed_flow" flag
>>   openvswitch: split flow structures into ovs specific and generic ones
>>   net: introduce switchdev API
>>   openvswitch: Introduce support for switchdev based datapath
>>   net: introduce dummy switch
>>
>>  drivers/net/Kconfig                        |   7 +
>>  drivers/net/Makefile                       |   1 +
>>  drivers/net/dummyswitch.c                  | 235 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>  include/linux/filter.h                     |   1 +
>>  include/linux/netdevice.h                  |  26 +++-
>>  include/linux/skbuff.h                     |  13 ++
>>  include/linux/sw_flow.h                    | 105 +++++++++++++
>>  include/linux/switchdev.h                  |  30 ++++
>>  include/uapi/linux/if_link.h               |   9 ++
>>  include/uapi/linux/openvswitch.h           |   4 +
>>  net/Kconfig                                |  10 ++
>>  net/core/Makefile                          |   1 +
>>  net/core/dev.c                             |   4 +-
>>  net/core/filter.c                          |   3 +
>>  net/core/switchdev.c                       | 172 +++++++++++++++++++++
>>  net/openvswitch/Makefile                   |   4 +
>>  net/openvswitch/datapath.c                 |  90 +++++++----
>>  net/openvswitch/datapath.h                 |  12 +-
>>  net/openvswitch/dp_notify.c                |   3 +-
>>  net/openvswitch/flow.c                     |  14 +-
>>  net/openvswitch/flow.h                     | 123 +++------------
>>  net/openvswitch/flow_netlink.c             |  24 +--
>>  net/openvswitch/flow_netlink.h             |   4 +-
>>  net/openvswitch/flow_table.c               | 100 ++++++------
>>  net/openvswitch/flow_table.h               |  18 +--
>>  net/openvswitch/vport-gre.c                |   4 +-
>>  net/openvswitch/vport-internal_switchdev.c | 179 ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>  net/openvswitch/vport-internal_switchdev.h |  28 ++++
>>  net/openvswitch/vport-netdev.c             |   4 +-
>>  net/openvswitch/vport-switchportdev.c      | 205 +++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>  net/openvswitch/vport-switchportdev.h      |  24 +++
>>  net/openvswitch/vport-vxlan.c              |   2 +-
>>  net/openvswitch/vport.c                    |   6 +-
>>  net/openvswitch/vport.h                    |   4 +-
>>  net/packet/af_packet.c                     |  22 ++-
>>  35 files changed, 1269 insertions(+), 222 deletions(-)
>>  create mode 100644 drivers/net/dummyswitch.c
>>  create mode 100644 include/linux/sw_flow.h
>>  create mode 100644 include/linux/switchdev.h
>>  create mode 100644 net/core/switchdev.c
>>  create mode 100644 net/openvswitch/vport-internal_switchdev.c
>>  create mode 100644 net/openvswitch/vport-internal_switchdev.h
>>  create mode 100644 net/openvswitch/vport-switchportdev.c
>>  create mode 100644 net/openvswitch/vport-switchportdev.h
>>
>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-03-27  7:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-03-26 16:31 [patch net-next RFC v2 0/6] introduce infrastructure for support of switch chip datapath Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 16:31 ` [patch net-next RFC v2 1/6] net: make packet_type->ak_packet_priv generic Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 16:31 ` [patch net-next RFC v2 2/6] skbuff: add "missed_flow" flag Jiri Pirko
     [not found]   ` <1395851472-10524-3-git-send-email-jiri-rHqAuBHg3fBzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-26 16:59     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-03-26 17:25       ` [ovs-dev] " Jiri Pirko
2014-03-27 10:31     ` Nicolas Dichtel
     [not found]       ` <5333FE0E.2090008-pdR9zngts4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-27 10:34         ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-31 20:39     ` Neil Jerram
2014-03-26 16:31 ` [patch net-next RFC v2 3/6] openvswitch: split flow structures into ovs specific and generic ones Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 16:31 ` [patch net-next RFC v2 4/6] net: introduce switchdev API Jiri Pirko
2014-03-27 11:23   ` Thomas Graf
     [not found]     ` <20140327112339.GB1615-FZi0V3Vbi30CUdFEqe4BF2D2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-27 11:26       ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]   ` <1395851472-10524-5-git-send-email-jiri-rHqAuBHg3fBzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-31 20:47     ` Neil Jerram
2014-03-31 20:55     ` Neil Jerram
2014-03-26 16:33 ` [patch iproute2 RFC v2] iproute: add support for dummyswport Jiri Pirko
     [not found] ` <1395851472-10524-1-git-send-email-jiri-rHqAuBHg3fBzbRFIqnYvSA@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-26 16:31   ` [patch net-next RFC v2 5/6] openvswitch: Introduce support for switchdev based datapath Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 16:31   ` [patch net-next RFC v2 6/6] net: introduce dummy switch Jiri Pirko
2014-03-26 21:44   ` [patch net-next RFC v2 0/6] introduce infrastructure for support of switch chip datapath Jamal Hadi Salim
     [not found]     ` <53334A3F.6020105-jkUAjuhPggJWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-26 21:57       ` Florian Fainelli
     [not found]         ` <CAGVrzcaOph7=2WfMzTfqtwFkN1fu5uKJAH59aF7mqD4MwL7iOg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-27  7:23           ` Jiri Pirko
2014-03-27  7:21       ` Jiri Pirko [this message]
     [not found]         ` <20140327072107.GC2845-RDzucLLXGGI88b5SBfVpbw@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-27 10:27           ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-27 11:02             ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-27 11:17               ` Jamal Hadi Salim
     [not found]                 ` <533408C0.8000608-jkUAjuhPggJWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-27 12:00                   ` Thomas Graf
2014-03-27 12:32                     ` Jamal Hadi Salim
2014-03-27 12:57                       ` Jiri Pirko
     [not found]                         ` <20140327125711.GL2845-RDzucLLXGGI88b5SBfVpbw@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-27 14:03                           ` John W. Linville
2014-03-27 16:27               ` Florian Fainelli
2014-03-27 17:20                 ` Thomas Graf
     [not found]                   ` <20140327172048.GC13573-FZi0V3Vbi30CUdFEqe4BF2D2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-27 17:26                     ` Jiri Pirko

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