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From: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel•org>
To: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google•com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH net-next v1 4/4] net: page_pool: use netmem_t instead of struct page in API
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2023 19:01:26 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231215190126.1040fa12@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231215021114.ipvdx2bwtxckrfdg@google.com>

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 02:11:14 +0000 Shakeel Butt wrote:
> > From my POV it has to be the first one. We want to abstract the memory
> > type from the drivers as much as possible, not introduce N new memory
> > types and ask the driver to implement new code for each of them
> > separately.
> 
> Agree with Mina's point. Let's aim to decouple memory types from
> drivers.

What does "decouple" mean? Drivers should never convert netmem 
to pages. Either a path in the driver can deal with netmem,
i.e. never touch the payload, or it needs pages.

Perhaps we should aim to not export netmem_to_page(),
prevent modules from accessing it directly.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-12-16  3:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-14  2:05 [RFC PATCH net-next v1 0/4] Abstract page from net stack Mina Almasry
2023-12-14  2:05 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v1 1/4] vsock/virtio: use skb_frag_page() helper Mina Almasry
2023-12-14  6:27   ` David Ahern
2023-12-14  8:19   ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-12-14  2:05 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v1 2/4] net: introduce abstraction for network memory Mina Almasry
2023-12-14  6:34   ` David Ahern
2023-12-16  2:51   ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-12-16 22:10     ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-17  1:45       ` David Ahern
2023-12-17  8:14         ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-18 22:06           ` Jakub Kicinski
2023-12-18 22:38             ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-19 17:27               ` Shakeel Butt
2023-12-14  2:05 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v1 3/4] net: add netmem_t to skb_frag_t Mina Almasry
2023-12-14  2:05 ` [RFC PATCH net-next v1 4/4] net: page_pool: use netmem_t instead of struct page in API Mina Almasry
2023-12-14 12:05   ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-12-14 16:27     ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-15  2:11       ` Shakeel Butt
2023-12-15 11:04         ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-12-15 16:47           ` Shakeel Butt
2023-12-16  3:01         ` Jakub Kicinski [this message]
2023-12-16 19:46           ` Shakeel Butt
2023-12-16 22:06             ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-20  3:01               ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-21 11:32                 ` Yunsheng Lin
2023-12-21 21:22                   ` Mina Almasry
2023-12-22  6:42                     ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-01-02 16:14                       ` Mina Almasry
2024-01-03  9:47                         ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-01-03 18:38                           ` Mina Almasry
2024-01-04  8:48                             ` Yunsheng Lin
2024-01-04 18:24                               ` Mina Almasry
2024-01-05  8:40                                 ` Yunsheng Lin

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