From: Daniel Borkmann <dborkman-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public•gmane.org>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <ast-uqk4Ao+rVK5Wk0Htik3J/w@public•gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 net-next 12/12] bpf: mini eBPF library, test stubs and verifier testsuite
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:16:18 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <54193542.6080101@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMEtUuzEQu30WiYprRcDBogJxxrDeNhvn=kF+z8cVvhR-vjTQg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
On 09/10/2014 08:08 PM, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 4:35 AM, Daniel Borkmann <dborkman-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public•gmane.org> wrote:
>>
>> Since we already have an extensive BPF test suite, that is, lib/test_bpf.c,
>> which currently also does sanity checks for the classic BPF verifier, is
>> there a reason these verifier test cases cannot be extended/integrated there
>> as well but have to go to kernel/bpf/test_stub.c resp.
>> samples/bpf/test_verifier.c ?
>> I don't like that we put testing code into kernel/bpf/ whereas we already
>> have a BPF test infrastructure in the kernel elsewhere.
>
> yes. there is a reason. Verifier needs to be tested from user space,
> since it works on fds. Process local map_fd are part of the eBPF
> programs. Therefore one is testing things from kernel and
> another from userspace. We definitely need both.
> Currently there is no use case to call verifier from inside
> the kernel. I'm not sure there will be one. Verifier's main
> purpose is to check user supplied programs and provide
> humans an understandable error messages of what
> is 'unsafe' in particular program.
> Eventually we will integrate this verifier messages with
> program compilation. Like, the user would write a program
> in C then invoke a wrapper of compiler and verifier, which
> will point to lines in C code which are doing something
> wrong like loops or out of bounds access. Currently verifier
> complains about particular 'unsafe' instruction, but
> humans have hard time correlating asm to C.
That actually still doesn't answer my question why the test stub
cannot live in lib/test_bpf where we have our actual testing
framework for eBPF/BPF, also since you exactly only build test_stub.c
when TEST_BPF is enabled which is the Kconfig for lib/test_bpf.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-09-17 7:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-09-10 5:09 [PATCH v11 net-next 00/12] eBPF syscall, verifier, testsuite Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-10 5:09 ` [PATCH v11 net-next 01/12] bpf: introduce BPF syscall and maps Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-10 5:09 ` [PATCH v11 net-next 02/12] bpf: enable bpf syscall on x64 and i386 Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-10 5:09 ` [PATCH v11 net-next 03/12] bpf: add lookup/update/delete/iterate methods to BPF maps Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-10 5:10 ` [PATCH v11 net-next 04/12] bpf: expand BPF syscall with program load/unload Alexei Starovoitov
[not found] ` <1410325808-3657-5-git-send-email-ast-uqk4Ao+rVK5Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-10 8:04 ` Daniel Borkmann
2014-09-10 17:19 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-10 5:10 ` [PATCH v11 net-next 05/12] bpf: handle pseudo BPF_CALL insn Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-10 5:10 ` [PATCH v11 net-next 06/12] bpf: verifier (add docs) Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-10 5:10 ` [PATCH v11 net-next 07/12] bpf: verifier (add ability to receive verification log) Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-10 5:10 ` [PATCH v11 net-next 08/12] bpf: handle pseudo BPF_LD_IMM64 insn Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-10 5:10 ` [PATCH v11 net-next 09/12] bpf: verifier (add branch/goto checks) Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-10 5:10 ` [PATCH v11 net-next 11/12] net: filter: move eBPF instruction macros Alexei Starovoitov
[not found] ` <1410325808-3657-12-git-send-email-ast-uqk4Ao+rVK5Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-10 11:24 ` Daniel Borkmann
[not found] ` <54103506.1030501-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-10 18:16 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-11 6:29 ` Daniel Borkmann
2014-09-11 6:45 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-10 5:10 ` [PATCH v11 net-next 12/12] bpf: mini eBPF library, test stubs and verifier testsuite Alexei Starovoitov
[not found] ` <1410325808-3657-13-git-send-email-ast-uqk4Ao+rVK5Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-10 11:35 ` Daniel Borkmann
[not found] ` <54103776.3080706-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-10 18:08 ` Alexei Starovoitov
[not found] ` <CAMEtUuzEQu30WiYprRcDBogJxxrDeNhvn=kF+z8cVvhR-vjTQg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-17 7:16 ` Daniel Borkmann [this message]
2014-09-17 16:17 ` Alexei Starovoitov
[not found] ` <CAMEtUuzaCEX9RKDBMnQBZSHdTjjidp81myfSVVi4qQqtSGgtmw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-17 21:59 ` Daniel Borkmann
2014-09-17 22:16 ` Alexei Starovoitov
[not found] ` <1410325808-3657-1-git-send-email-ast-uqk4Ao+rVK5Wk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-10 5:10 ` [PATCH v11 net-next 10/12] bpf: verifier (add verifier core) Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-10 8:19 ` [PATCH v11 net-next 00/12] eBPF syscall, verifier, testsuite Daniel Borkmann
2014-09-10 17:28 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-10 9:03 ` Daniel Borkmann
[not found] ` <541013CE.6020307-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-10 17:32 ` Alexei Starovoitov
[not found] ` <CAMEtUuwrHX4ENK9cZ0C+XVB=wkMz1=wLphX_GVLvd8pyJKMXeQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-11 19:47 ` Daniel Borkmann
[not found] ` <5411FC42.3070505-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-11 20:33 ` Alexei Starovoitov
[not found] ` <CAMEtUuziPptHxtw_7fkOdR-paB+8BatNmRPoo3txP8wOp9D6Tw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-11 21:54 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWCEwscbbfX7wAW-A+VQ5Y92igD36BmTXqFra04Qdwk0Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-11 22:29 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-12 1:17 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-09-12 1:29 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-12 22:40 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-10 9:21 ` Daniel Borkmann
2014-09-10 17:48 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-10 18:22 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrVBb_uQZpodv67XSTGVU40y6+9Ktw=3zAJgGV2mNJ=_0A-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-10 20:21 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-09-11 19:54 ` Daniel Borkmann
[not found] ` <5411FDE1.3060302-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-11 20:35 ` Alexei Starovoitov
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