From: "Kristoffer Haugsbakk" <kristofferhaugsbakk@fastmail•com>
To: "Marc Branchaud" <marcnarc@xiplink•com>,
"Toon Claes" <toon@iotcl•com>,
git@vger•kernel.org
Cc: "Jeff King" <peff@peff•net>, "Taylor Blau" <me@ttaylorr•com>,
"Derrick Stolee" <stolee@gmail•com>,
"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail•com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/5] Introduce git-blame-tree(1) command
Date: Wed, 07 May 2025 22:49:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9a0c98d1-4a77-4f2e-9aa9-bbab11b3e44d@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <323dc2c8-41bb-433a-a1c9-662609e359ea@xiplink.com>
On Wed, May 7, 2025, at 22:23, Marc Branchaud wrote:
> On 2025-05-07 10:22, Toon Claes wrote:
>> Marc Branchaud <marcnarc@xiplink•com> writes:
>>
>>> I feel the need to get some bike-shedding off my chest, though:
>>
>> Always welcome!
>>
>>> "blame-tree" would be a terrible name for this command.
>>
>> Do you feel this way because "blame" as a negative conotation?
>
> Good question, but no, not at all.
>
> My concern is about having two commands to do blaming (or "crediting" or
> whatever anyone wants to call it), instead of just one.
>
>>> I think that if Git ends up with two blame-like commands it will
>>> merely solidify Git's reputation for obscurity.
>>
>> I think "blaming" is a well-concept in Git, and many people (familiar
>> with Git) would understand in instant what `blame-tree` would do.
>
> I agree that blaming is a well-(known) concept. I also agree that most
> users would understand what blame-tree would do, *once they find it*.
>
> But I think that's beside the point I'm trying to make. Git is
> notorious for making users learn countless commands, and having two
> slightly-different commands for blaming is just going to make that worse.
Use a Git user I don’t see the problem. `git --list-cmds=builtins`
lists 144 commands. Six of them are `-tree` commands.
It’s not been my understanding that people stumble upon niche commands
that easily. Most questions I’ve seen about git-commit-tree(1) (one of
the `-tree` commands that seems to come up from time to time) seem to
come from a point of idle curiosity. That’s questions that bring it up
(i.e. potential user confusion).
(The first impression I got of `-tree` commands was that they were less
user-friendly commands for hardcore users.)
That’s just my perspective. Do you have a case in mind where such a new
command could lead to user confusion?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-05-07 20:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-22 17:46 [PATCH RFC 0/5] Introduce git-blame-tree(1) command Toon Claes
2025-04-22 17:46 ` [PATCH RFC 1/5] blame-tree: introduce new subcommand to blame files Toon Claes
2025-04-24 16:19 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-07 13:13 ` Toon Claes
2025-04-22 17:46 ` [PATCH RFC 2/5] t/perf: add blame-tree perf script Toon Claes
2025-04-22 17:46 ` [PATCH RFC 3/5] blame-tree: use Bloom filters when available Toon Claes
2025-04-22 17:46 ` [PATCH RFC 4/5] blame-tree: implement faster algorithm Toon Claes
2025-04-22 17:46 ` [PATCH RFC 5/5] blame-tree.c: initialize revision machinery without walk Toon Claes
2025-04-23 13:26 ` [PATCH RFC 0/5] Introduce git-blame-tree(1) command Marc Branchaud
2025-05-07 14:22 ` Toon Claes
2025-05-07 20:23 ` Marc Branchaud
2025-05-07 20:45 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-08 13:26 ` Marc Branchaud
2025-05-08 14:26 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-08 15:12 ` Marc Branchaud
2025-05-14 14:42 ` Toon Claes
2025-05-14 19:29 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-14 21:15 ` Marc Branchaud
2025-05-15 13:29 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-05-15 16:39 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-05-15 17:39 ` Marc Branchaud
2025-05-15 19:30 ` Jeff King
2025-05-16 4:38 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-05-20 8:49 ` Toon Claes
2025-05-15 17:30 ` Marc Branchaud
2025-05-16 4:30 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-05-14 21:15 ` Marc Branchaud
2025-05-07 20:49 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk [this message]
2025-05-08 13:20 ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-05-08 13:26 ` Marc Branchaud
2025-05-08 13:18 ` D. Ben Knoble
2025-05-23 9:33 ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/5] Introduce git-last-modified(1) command Toon Claes
2025-05-23 9:33 ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/5] last-modified: new subcommand to show when files were last modified Toon Claes
2025-05-25 20:07 ` Justin Tobler
2025-06-05 8:32 ` Toon Claes
2025-05-27 10:39 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-06-13 9:34 ` Toon Claes
2025-06-13 9:52 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-05-23 9:33 ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/5] t/perf: add last-modified perf script Toon Claes
2025-05-23 9:33 ` [PATCH RFC v2 3/5] last-modified: use Bloom filters when available Toon Claes
2025-05-27 10:40 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-06-13 11:05 ` Toon Claes
2025-05-23 9:33 ` [PATCH RFC v2 4/5] last-modified: implement faster algorithm Toon Claes
2025-05-27 10:39 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-05-23 9:33 ` [PATCH RFC v2 5/5] last-modified: initialize revision machinery without walk Toon Claes
2025-05-27 10:39 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-01 20:35 ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/5] Introduce git-last-modified(1) command Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-07-01 21:06 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-01 21:30 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-07-02 13:00 ` Toon Claes
2025-07-09 15:53 ` Toon Claes
2025-07-09 17:00 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-06-30 18:49 ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/3] " Toon Claes
2025-06-30 18:49 ` [PATCH RFC v3 1/3] last-modified: new subcommand to show when files were last modified Toon Claes
2025-07-01 20:20 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2025-07-02 11:51 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-06-30 18:49 ` [PATCH RFC v3 2/3] t/perf: add last-modified perf script Toon Claes
2025-06-30 18:49 ` [PATCH RFC v3 3/3] last-modified: use Bloom filters when available Toon Claes
2025-07-01 23:01 ` [PATCH RFC v3 0/3] Introduce git-last-modified(1) command Junio C Hamano
2025-07-09 15:26 ` [PATCH v4 " Toon Claes
2025-07-09 21:57 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-10 18:37 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-16 13:32 ` [PATCH v5 0/6] " Toon Claes
2025-07-16 13:35 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] last-modified: new subcommand to show when files were last modified Toon Claes
2025-07-18 0:02 ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-19 6:44 ` Jeff King
2025-07-22 15:50 ` Toon Claes
2025-08-01 9:09 ` Christian Couder
2025-08-01 16:59 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-16 13:35 ` [PATCH v5 2/6] t/perf: add last-modified perf script Toon Claes
2025-07-18 0:08 ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-22 15:52 ` Toon Claes
2025-07-16 13:35 ` [PATCH v5 3/6] last-modified: use Bloom filters when available Toon Claes
2025-07-18 0:16 ` Taylor Blau
2025-07-22 16:02 ` Toon Claes
2025-07-16 13:35 ` [PATCH v5 4/6] pretty: allow caller to disable indentation Toon Claes
2025-07-16 15:50 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-17 16:31 ` Toon Claes
2025-07-16 13:35 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] last-modified: support --extended format Toon Claes
2025-07-16 16:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-17 16:31 ` Toon Claes
2025-07-17 22:37 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-18 17:36 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-22 16:06 ` Toon Claes
2025-07-16 13:42 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] fixup! last-modified: use Bloom filters when available Toon Claes
2025-07-17 23:39 ` [PATCH v5 0/6] Introduce git-last-modified(1) command Taylor Blau
2025-07-22 15:35 ` Toon Claes
2025-07-30 17:59 ` Toon Claes
2025-07-31 7:45 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-30 17:55 ` [PATCH v6 0/4] " Toon Claes
2025-07-31 18:40 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-07-31 23:57 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-05 9:33 ` [PATCH v7 0/3] " Toon Claes
2025-08-05 14:34 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-05 16:21 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-05 16:34 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-05 16:55 ` Toon Claes
2025-08-05 17:20 ` Jean-Noël AVILA
2025-08-05 21:46 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-06 12:01 ` Toon Claes
2025-08-06 15:38 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-28 22:44 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-05 18:28 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-05 9:33 ` [PATCH v7 1/3] last-modified: new subcommand to show when files were last modified Toon Claes
2025-08-05 9:33 ` [PATCH v7 2/3] t/perf: add last-modified perf script Toon Claes
2025-08-05 9:33 ` [PATCH v7 3/3] last-modified: use Bloom filters when available Toon Claes
2025-07-30 17:55 ` [PATCH v6 1/4] last-modified: new subcommand to show when files were last modified Toon Claes
2025-07-31 6:42 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-01 16:22 ` Toon Claes
2025-08-01 17:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-04 6:34 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-04 17:14 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-05 5:35 ` Toon Claes
2025-08-01 20:34 ` Jean-Noël AVILA
2025-08-05 5:36 ` Toon Claes
2025-08-04 6:33 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-01 10:18 ` Christian Couder
2025-08-01 10:22 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-01 17:06 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-02 8:18 ` Christian Couder
2025-08-02 11:31 ` Christian Couder
2025-08-02 13:38 ` Christian Couder
2025-08-02 16:26 ` Junio C Hamano
2025-08-04 6:35 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-30 17:55 ` [PATCH v6 2/4] t/perf: add last-modified perf script Toon Claes
2025-07-30 17:55 ` [PATCH v6 3/4] commit-graph: export prepare_commit_graph() Toon Claes
2025-07-31 6:42 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-30 17:55 ` [PATCH v6 4/4] last-modified: use Bloom filters when available Toon Claes
2025-07-31 6:43 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-08-01 16:23 ` Toon Claes
2025-08-04 6:33 ` Patrick Steinhardt
2025-07-09 15:26 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] last-modified: new subcommand to show when files were last modified Toon Claes
2025-07-09 15:26 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] t/perf: add last-modified perf script Toon Claes
2025-07-09 15:26 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] last-modified: use Bloom filters when available Toon Claes
2025-07-16 13:35 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] fixup! " Toon Claes
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